The Elders were present as JESUS Took The Scroll to be our SAVIOR. That means The Elders are not humans because JESUS isn’t Human yet at this point? The suggestion is that The Elders might be Seraphims …not Angels, just like Cherubims are not Angels. Divine Council?
…erm, maybe they are human …but with Seraphims inside them?:
[James 4:7 KJV] Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you.
[Revelation 5:10 KJV] And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.
[Revelation 5:3 KJV] And no man in heaven, nor in earth, neither under the earth, was able to open the book, neither to look thereon.
They are Saying JESUS was already Slain Here …that means CHRIST isn’t a Man anymore because Verse 3 just said no Man:
[Revelation 5:5 KJV] And one of the elders saith unto me, Weep not: behold, the Lion of the tribe of Juda, the Root of David, hath prevailed to open the book, and to loose the seven seals thereof.
[Revelation 5:9 KJV] And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;
JESUS isn’t Pointed out in Rev 4, so we are seeing the Elders Worshiping GOD The Infinite FATHER Here:
[Revelation 4:10-11 KJV] The four and twenty elders fall down before him that sat on the throne, and worship him that liveth for ever and ever, and cast their crowns before the throne, saying,
[11] Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created.
They have Seats of some kind of power …Thrones:
[Revelation 4:4 KJV] And round about the throne were four and twenty seats: and upon the seats I saw four and twenty elders sitting, clothed in white raiment; and they had on their heads crowns of gold.
THE LAMB has something to do with with The 4 Beasts and The 24 Elders: (Which might be Cherubs and Seraphims) …or is It Saying THE LAMB is one of the 4 Beasts and one of the 24 Elders? There are two Groups Here? …or is It Saying He is Standing between the Two Groups?:
[Revelation 5:6 KJV] And I beheld, and, lo, in the midst of the throne and of the four beasts, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth.
In The Verse Before …It Says two different Titles:
[Revelation 5:5 KJV] And one of the elders saith unto me, Weep not: behold, the Lion of the tribe of Juda, the Root of David, hath prevailed to open the book, and to loose the seven seals thereof.
A Lion could easily be one of the Four Beasts (Cherubim).
An Elder could be The Rood of David with a Seat and a Crown (Seraphim?).
So do the 24 Elders have something to do with the Davidic Line?
Judah had some good literal kings:
1) David
2) Asa
3) Jehoshaphat
4) Joash
5) Amaziah
6) Uzziah
7) Jotham
8) Hezekiah
9) Josiah
Exiled to babylon after some more bad kings
10) Zerubbabel Rebuilt The Temple (GOD Called him His servant)
11-23) ? not kings, but Spiritual Leaders? Maybe John the Baptist counts as one? How about Moses and Joshua? Other prophets?
24) LORD JESUS CHRIST
JESUS is First and Last …so Melchizedek?
Are they GOD’S Servants?
[Genesis 26:24 KJV] And the LORD appeared unto him the same night, and said, I am the God of Abraham thy father: fear not, for I am with thee, and will bless thee, and multiply thy seed for my servant Abraham‘s sake.
[Numbers 12:7 KJV] My servant Moses is not so, who is faithful in all mine house.
[Numbers 14:24 KJV] But my servant Caleb, because he had another spirit with him, and hath followed me fully, him will I bring into the land whereinto he went; and his seed shall possess it.
[2 Samuel 7:5 KJV] Go and tell my servant David, Thus saith the LORD, Shalt thou build me an house for me to dwell in?
[Job 1:8 KJV] And the LORD said unto Satan, Hast thou considered my servant Job, that there is none like him in the earth, a perfect and an upright man, one that feareth God, and escheweth evil?
What is a Seraphim?
[Isaiah 6:1 KJV] In the year that king Uzziah died I saw also the Lord sitting upon a throne, high and lifted up, and his train filled the temple.
[Isaiah 6:2 KJV] Above it stood the seraphims: each one had six wings; with twain he covered his face, and with twain he covered his feet, and with twain he did fly.
[Isaiah 6:3 KJV] And one cried unto another, and said, Holy, holy, holy, is the LORD of hosts: the whole earth is full of his glory.
It doesn’t say how many Seraphims …could it be 24?
Seraphims have something to do with Fire …Righteous Fire for Judgment of death? The Elders have 24 Thrones and Crowns. Wise fire serpents?
Otherwise …what are these fiery flying serpents doing so close to The Throne in Isaiah 6?
[Numbers 21:6 KJV] And the LORD sent fiery[H8314] serpents among the people, and they bit the people; and much people of Israel died.
[Numbers 21:8 KJV] And the LORD said unto Moses, Make thee a fiery serpent,[H8314] and set it upon a pole: and it shall come to pass, that every one that is bitten, when he looketh upon it, shall live.
[Isaiah 14:29 KJV] Rejoice not thou, whole Palestina, because the rod of him that smote thee is broken: for out of the serpent’s root shall come forth a cockatrice, and his fruit shall be a fiery[H8314] flying serpent.[H8314]
[Isaiah 30:6 KJV] The burden of the beasts of the south: into the land of trouble and anguish, from whence come the young and old lion, the viper and fiery[H8314] flying serpent,[H8314] they will carry their riches upon the shoulders of young asses, and their treasures upon the bunches of camels, to a people that shall not profit them.
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we know satan is a cherub and a dragon:
[Ezekiel 28:16 KJV] By the multitude of thy merchandise they have filled the midst of thee with violence, and thou hast sinned: therefore I will cast thee as profane out of the mountain of God: and I will destroy thee, O covering cherub, from the midst of the stones of fire.
Stones of Fire? Seraphims?
dragons were not always a bad thing …the Word used Here for Whale is This H8577 – tannîn – Strong’s Hebrew Lexicon (kjv)
[Genesis 1:21 KJV] And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
Could they be Kings? The Elders have Crowns. Are Cherubim …Dragons? Are Winged Fowls …Angels?
Cherubims are a Foundation to The Throne in the Visions …they are under It. The Seraphims in Isaiah 6 are floating above it? Hovering, ready to attack? Are Elders, a Cloud of Witnesses?
[Hebrews 12:1 KJV] Wherefore seeing we also are compassed about with so great a cloud of witnesses, let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which doth so easily beset us, and let us run with patience the race that is set before us,
Ezekiel 1 doesn’t Call them Cherubims but then Ezekiel 10 does.
The Four Beasts of Rev 4 could be Four Living Creatures …that would make This proof that they are Cherubims.
[Ezekiel 1:5 KJV] Also out of the midst thereof came the likeness of four living creatures. And this was their appearance; they had the likeness of a man.
[Ezekiel 1:6 KJV] And every one had four faces, and every one had four wings.
[Ezekiel 1:13 KJV] As for the likeness of the living creatures, their appearance was like burning coals of fire, and like the appearance of lamps: it went up and down among the living creatures; and the fire was bright, and out of the fire went forth lightning.
[Ezekiel 1:26 KJV] And above the firmament that was over their heads was the likeness of a throne, as the appearance of a sapphire stone: and upon the likeness of the throne was the likeness as the appearance of a man above upon it.
[Ezekiel 10:2 KJV] And he spake unto the man clothed with linen, and said, Go in between the wheels, even under the cherub, and fill thine hand with coals of fire from between the cherubims, and scatter them over the city. And he went in in my sight.
[Ezekiel 10:6 KJV] And it came to pass, that when he had commanded the man clothed with linen, saying, Take fire from between the wheels, from between the cherubims; then he went in, and stood beside the wheels.